Are computers at hacking risk when we are on SL?

[Madelaine McMasters]

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Tari Landar wrote:

You are paranoid to the extreme my friend.

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I'm not sure paranoia is the right description, Tari.

Jeffrey claims Linden Lab runs SL as an "attack site" and that supporters of the system attempt to silence him. His mission is to bring us the truth, and "linden labs to book".

That would classify as paranoia, until you consider that he reports those who disgree with him (as we do over in Answers when he gives out useless, counterproductive, or even perilious advice). Of course the reports go to... Linden Lab.

"Don't trust the cops! If you try to stop me from spreading that message, I'll call the cops!"

Is there a name for that kind of thinking?

[Tari Landar]

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Madelaine McMasters wrote:

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Is there a name for that kind of thinking?

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I'm not convinced there is a whole lot of conscious thought going into that type of process to be honest, lol.

I'd say conspiracy theorist, but, sometimes what those folks say actually has merit, or some foundation of truth, at least. 99% of what this fella says seems to be literally just words banged out on a keyboard.

Obsessively, unreasonably, suspicious and anxious does come to mind, though.

[Madelaine McMasters]

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Tari Landar wrote:

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Madelaine McMasters wrote:

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Is there a name for that kind of thinking?

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I'm not convinced there is a whole lot of conscious thought going into that type of process to be honest, lol.

I'd say conspiracy theorist, but, sometimes what those folks say actually has merit, or some foundation of truth, at least. 99% of what this fella says seems to be literally just words banged out on a keyboard.

Obsessively, unreasonably, suspicious and anxious does come to mind, though.

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I have a hard time wrapping my head around things like this, though I certainly witness them often enough. I don't imagine it's a happy place to be, and I don't know how to address it.

[jeffrey11488313394]

Hi all

as you can see so call helper are showing there colors.

harrassment for telling it how it is is always going on in game.

they do not like people to tell new comer the facts about the game.

lots think Im a kid, but Im a lot older in game then MY avatar show.

I can not read a write very well and once on line people so call people human people just took the rise and attack me from day one in game, this kind of hate Im awarn of and I warn other people.

but I alway AR in game the person that harrass me and who harrasss others.

there are lots of sicko in game, so be awarn of the kind hearted helper, who ask for your detail of your internet and computer system and remember this is real life information and is the door to your computer, for hacker.

do not give out real life information in a open forum or in game, that included the operating system and the make of the system.

remember you do not use your real life name in game, and this is to protect you.

enjoy your game and follow my set of rule about how to play and you will be safe.

good luck to new comers and

byeee

 

 

[Qie Niangao]

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mikka Luik wrote:

Well heard of most things but have to admit that "anermal" is a new one. Live and learn eh..

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I know, right? Where can I get me some of that hot "anermal sex"?

It sounds like some unnatural cross-species furry action involving a fetish for Ebola-class protective gear.

I hope I won't be disappointed again.

[Pamela Galli]

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Madelaine McMasters wrote:

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Is there a name for that kind of thinking?

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"Borat"?

[Madelaine McMasters]

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jeffrey1 wrote:

Hi all

as you can see so call helper are showing there colors.

harrassment for telling it how it is is always going on in game.

they do not like people to tell new comer the facts about the game.

lots think Im a kid, but Im a lot older in game then MY avatar show.

I can not read a write very well and once on line people so call people human people just took the rise and attack me from day one in game, this kind of hate Im awarn of and I warn other people.

but I alway AR in game the person that harrass me and who harrasss others.

there are lots of sicko in game, so be awarn of the kind hearted helper, who ask for your detail of your internet and computer system and remember this is real life information and is the door to your computer, for hacker.

do not give out real life information in a open forum or in game, that included the operating system and the make of the system.

remember you do not use your real life name in game, and this is to protect you.

enjoy your game and follow my set of rule about how to play and you will be safe.

good luck to new comers and

byeee

 

 

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My friends know that my favorite color is purple, except on cars, where it's grey, except on Miatas, where it's red, except on houses where it's greenish grey, except on the front door where it's green, except on the doorknob, where it's bright brass.

Your advice is mostly okay, though your characteriztions of residents is a bit much. I've certainly not seen the hatred that seams to plague you. Some of that may be due to discrimination and miscommunication as a result to your difficulties with English. There are people who have no tolerance for ESLers.

There might be more "sicko"s here than in RL. If you've got atypical interests, this would be the place to explore them. I did.

It's certainly a good idea to be careful about revealing RL information here, but revealing the OS your computer is running is often necessary to get help resolving problems. And any time you visit a website, your browser happily announces the make and model of OS and browser you're running. You can see a demonstration of that here...

http://whatsmyuseragent.com

Which reports this for me...

Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_9_5) AppleWebKit/600.1.17 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/7.1 Safari/537.85.10

As for being safe following your set of rules, given your stated experiences with malware, either you aren't heeding your own rules, or they not sufficient to ensure safety. I've been online since 1987 and in SL since 2008. I've never encountered mal-ware, though I've paid plenty of hard earned money for stuff that's nearly incompetent-ware.

;-).

[mikka Luik]

Hmm useragent gives: "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.12 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/24.0.1273.0 Safari/537.12"

Well, 3 of 6 is pretty close so thats fun and at least the IP address was more or less the right continent =^^=

And Qie? sorry unless someone has been very quick it doesn't exist - yet. But again this is SL and I have every faith by the time i hit Submit it will..

 

[jeffrey11488313394]

Why are you looking, do you really wish to watch avatar having sex with animals or would you like to get  involved

it take all kinds.

byeee

[KarenMichelle Lane]

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jeffrey1 wrote:

Why are you looking, do you really wish to watch avatar having sex with animals or would you like to get  involved

it take all kinds.

byeee

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Oh Jeffery,

You are such a tease.....you keep on promising to leave with your charming ""Byeee" but you always come back.

 

P.S. - Oh just to be clear.... I just quoted you. That's how that big Quote button works.

[jeffrey11488313394]

Mr you are a bore, byee

[Bobbie Faulds]

also a key logger, can be downloaded to you if you click on a link in game, that is being used by key logger to trap you.

This line is telling. Sounds to me like the OP clicked on a link that took him outside of SL.  Once you are on your external web browser (Mozilla/Chrome/IE/etc) all bets are off. Like the links you see ingame to something on the MP then have a link that has altervista or starts with http rather than https, etc. Those take you to a page that looks like an SL sign in page..As we know, those are spoofed pages and you've just given a phisher your password and user name.

Don't blame SL or LL for what happens when you click a link that takes you to your external browser and then you download something from there. That's all on you. It's not from accepting a friend request or anything else like that. You've fallen for a hacker bait. The keylogger/malware/whatever did NOT come from SL but from an external site that you voluntarily logged in to then accepted a program with the keylogger or gave them your SL info. Your problem, not LL.

As for the sim crashing...typical griefing. They can use invisible prims that your graphics program still has to deal with that can overload the sim prim limit and cause it to crash. Same thing can be done with replicating prims, the most popular being 10 meter cubes with porn on them. Again, not a hacker, just a place that hasn't taken the basic precaution of using autoreturn.

[Dillon Levenque]

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Bobbie Faulds wrote:

also a key logger, can be downloaded to you if you click on a link in game, that is being used by key logger to trap you.

This line is telling. Sounds to me like the OP clicked on a link that took him outside of SL.  Once you are on your external web browser (Mozilla/Chrome/IE/etc) all bets are off. Like the links you see ingame to something on the MP then have a link that has altervista or starts with http rather than https, etc. Those take you to a page that looks like an SL sign in page..As we know, those are spoofed pages and you've just given a phisher your password and user name.

Don't blame SL or LL for what happens when you click a link that takes you to your external browser and then you download something from there. That's all on you. It's not from accepting a friend request or anything else like that. You've fallen for a hacker bait. The keylogger/malware/whatever did NOT come from SL but from an external site that you voluntarily logged in to then accepted a program with the keylogger or gave them your SL info. Your problem, not LL.

As for the sim crashing...typical griefing. They can use invisible prims that your graphics program still has to deal with that can overload the sim prim limit and cause it to crash. Same thing can be done with replicating prims, the most popular being 10 meter cubes with porn on them. Again, not a hacker, just a place that hasn't taken the basic precaution of using autoreturn.

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Bobbie, Bobbie, Bobbie.

You don't understand.

Jeffrey coulda had class. He coulda been a contender. He coulda been somebody.

It was LL, Bobbie. LL made it possible for Jeffrey to see links to click on. Links that any reasonably observant twelve-year-old would think dodgy at best.

It was LL.

 

Edited to add: 

Well, shoot. If nobody noticed my "On The Waterfront" rewrite I guess I'll just make you watch the original. For the record, I don't think Jeffery1 is a 'bum'. 

[jeffrey11488313394]

Hi

people take the pea out of me for not being able to read and write very well.

but I do not read things into what said, and do not try to defend hacker or grifer, and do try to warn new people what not to do to protect there self.

helper will tell you Im boring, but I say that to help people will good intent is not boring.

and to attack a person for standing up the lindens labs and the grifer with there hacker friends in toe, if that is no right.

best to have a rethink, people in the real world claim to be me, and one person in Brazil use the web to get freebies saying he was me.

So Im making a impact, and soon or later linden have to face up to what they are doing.

if not we just go on as we are, and I send grifer text to people who ask for what was send to me in game or the forum,

they only have to ask, if grifer can contact me in game all can do that.

enjoy your game, play nice now.

byee

 

[jeffrey11488313394]

It take all kind in game and animal sex, ok you a pervert, done tell all in open forum what you are.

byee

[jeffrey11488313394]

once again helper asking for real world information.
Rolig's advice is correct - in order to provide help via this service it's necessary to obtain better information about your PC. You can do this by updating your question with the information from your viewer from the Help menu > About.

It's also useful to provide statistics about your connection if you expect help in diagnosing a problem. You can use a service such as Speedtest.net to get these statistics for you, if you don't know how.

This is not supported by linden labs, it is not right, and you are putting your self at risk, do not give out real life information and report the avatar for asking you to do that.

use the knowledge base, they need to start direting people to the right page, and not ask for real world information.

Besafe

enjoy Sl

[Tari Landar]

You clearly have no idea how hacking, malware, griefing, and such things work. In and of itself, that is probably a good thing, if it were not for the fact that you are spreading terrible information(with some good advice thrown in now and then) which only perpetuates ignorance.

I do not believe people should follow the advice of someone who, admittedly, makes himself vulnerable to the nefarious acts of others, on a regular basis. You pointed out exactly how to make yourself a target for these acts.

Sharing your system information, does not, in any way, make you more vulnerable to problems such as those described. It does, in fact, give others information they can use to help you. It does not render you, your system, or your "information" at risk for malicious attacks. That is not how such things work, and although the information can be very valuable for solving problems, it would do a hacker absolutely no good at all. They have much better tools, most of which you likely have no knowledge on(and that is not a bad thing, really)

You see, that is where having a bit more knowledge in the IT department, would actually come in handy. The folks who request this information from others, have that knowledge. People, like yourself, who perpetuate paranoia and false warnings, are rarely ever helpful. You could have stopped your advice at the points which actually matter, instead of throwing in some extra "spice" to make yourself sound better(at least one can assume that is why you spiced up your posts with your stories of how you got attacked....it's a reasonable assumption).

I am not someone who would ever judge another for their lack of comprehension in regards to a language that may not be their mother language. I understand all too well that it can be difficult to both understand as well as make yourself understood. In fact, I am not certain most of the people in this thread would actually stoop to such shenanigans, to be honest. With or without a full understanding and capability to express yourself properly in English, you have still managed to confuse your message(s) with scattered paranoia and impossibilities. It is not your inability to understand and express English that caused this. It is your naivete and ignorance about the subject(s) at hand, that caused this.

In other words...if you want to help people, share warnings, share tips...but leave the stuff that actually cannot happen, out of it, else, your message will be completely and utterly lost(and you'll just make yourself a target for, well...exactly what you got).

[Perrie Juran]

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jeffrey1 wrote:

once again helper asking for real world information.

Rolig's advice is correct - in order to provide help via this service it's necessary to obtain better information about your PC. You can do this by updating your question with the information from your viewer from the Help menu > About.

 

It's also useful to provide statistics about your connection if you expect help in diagnosing a problem. You can use a service such as Speedtest.net to get these statistics for you, if you don't know how.

 

This is not supported by linden labs, it is not right, and you are putting your self at risk, do not give out real life information and report the avatar for asking you to do that.

use the knowledge base, they need to start direting people to the right page, and not ask for real world information.

Besafe

enjoy Sl

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Here is my System Information:

Second Life 3.7.15 (293376) Aug 26 2014 15:07:00 (Second Life Release)

Release Notes

 

CPU: AMD Processor model unknown (3000.16 MHz)

Memory: 3584 MB

OS Version: Microsoft Windows 7 32-bit Service Pack 1 (Build 7601)

Graphics Card Vendor: NVIDIA Corporation

Graphics Card: GeForce GTX 650 Ti/PCIe/SSE2/3DNOW!

 

Windows Graphics Driver Version: 9.18.0013.4411

OpenGL Version: 4.4.0 NVIDIA 344.11

 

libcurl Version: libcurl/7.37.0 OpenSSL/1.0.1h zlib/1.2.8

J2C Decoder Version: KDU v7.0

Audio Driver Version: FMOD Ex 4.44.31

Qt Webkit Version: 4.7.1 (version number hard-coded)

Voice Server Version: Not Connected

Built with MSVC version 1600

Please now kindly explain to me how anything there can be used to attack me?

And please now explain kindly to me how we can "start directing people to the right page" if we don't have the necesary information?

Problems can be very specific.

A problem might be in a Viewer version.

A problem might be specific to a Graphics Card.

A problem might be caused by a Driver version.

A problem might be caused by a bad Internert Connection.

Without knowing this information how can we direct people to the correct information so they can fix their problem?

But most importantly please kindly explain how any of the information I posted can allow someone to attack me?  Because I can find no information to back up your claim any where on the InterWeb.

 

 

[Qie Niangao]

I'm feeling solicitous towards our jeffrey1 because he acknowledges with apparent relish that I'm a pervert, hence I figure we may have some future. So, I can dream up two ways he might be a little tiny bit correct about revealing "System Information".

First, as Maddy mentioned above, the information you list does reveal some platform information that will appear in the user agent response of a browser running on that machine, so if one had such user agent data for some avatars of interest, it may be possible to narrow the search for which of them is also posting the system information -- assuming the victim is posting that information without intending to reveal the identity of the avatar to which it belongs.

This concern might arise once a millenium.

Second, if we broaden the definition of "System Information" beyond the contents of About Second Life to include, say, the log of console text -- which can be essential for diagnosing some problems -- then we may well reveal more RL identity information than merely the user's IP address --the name they chose for their user directory, for example.

That expansion into other possible meanings of "system information" is clearly shifting the goal posts. Are there no limits to what I'll do to get jeffrey1 to tell us more about his anermal sex experiences?

[Madelaine McMasters]

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Qie Niangao wrote:

I'm feeling solicitous towards our jeffrey1 because he acknowledges with apparent relish that I'm a pervert, hence I figure we may have some future. 

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The revelation that you're a pervert has earned points with me. If it doesn't work out with Jeffrey...

;-).

[Perrie Juran]

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Qie Niangao wrote:

I'm feeling solicitous towards our jeffrey1 because he acknowledges with apparent relish that I'm a pervert, hence I figure we may have some future. So, I can dream up two ways he might be a little tiny bit correct about revealing "System Information".

First, as Maddy

mentioned above

, the information you list does reveal some platform information that will appear in the user agent response of a browser running on that machine, so if one had such user agent data for some avatars of interest, it may be possible to narrow the search for which of them is also posting the system information -- assuming the victim is posting that information without intending to reveal the identity of the avatar to which it belongs.

This concern might arise once a millenium.

Second, if we broaden the definition of "System Information" beyond the contents of About Second Life to include, say, the log of console text -- which can be essential for diagnosing some problems -- then we may well reveal more RL identity information than merely the user's IP address --the name they chose for their user directory, for example.

That expansion into other possible meanings of "system information" is clearly shifting the goal posts. Are there no limits to what I'll do to get jeffrey1 to tell us more about his anermal sex experiences?

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I did think of just for fun of posting my IP but I do know that could get someone closer to my home. 

If I listed my Motherboard also would it narrow down the field even more?

I've always wonderred why windoze doesn't know what model my processor is.

Almost as much as I'm wondering about this "anermal sex."

[mikka Luik]

CPU Model BBC Micro A

Memory 32 kb

Graphics Mode 7...

oops wrong machine. Oh and closest I can find is a Nermal is an annoying kitten in a cartoon script featuring a striped orange cat with a taste for stodgy fast food. Best guess is anermal is some sort of anti-annoying-kitten. But it may just be too late at night for me.

[jeffrey11488313394]

Hi all new comers

once again I give out informations about possable grifers, and the words are spams off the page by what is grifing.

so here what they do not wish you to read.

once again helper asking for real world information.
Rolig's advice is correct - in order to provide help via this service it's necessary to obtain better information about your PC. You can do this by updating your question with the information from your viewer from the Help menu > About.

It's also useful to provide statistics about your connection if you expect help in diagnosing a problem. You can use a service such as Speedtest.net to get these statistics for you, if you don't know how.

This is not supported by linden labs, it is not right, and you are putting your self at risk, do not give out real life information and report the avatar for asking you to do that.

use the knowledge base, they need to start direting people to the right page, and not ask for real world information

besafe

enjoy SL

byee

[Perrie Juran]

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jeffrey1 wrote:

Hi all new comers

once again I give out informations about possable grifers, and the words are spams off the page by what is grifing.

so here what they do not wish you to read.

once again helper asking for real world information.

Rolig's advice is correct - in order to provide help via this service it's necessary to obtain better information about your PC. You can do this by updating your question with the information from your viewer from the Help menu > About.

 

It's also useful to provide statistics about your connection if you expect help in diagnosing a problem. You can use a service such as Speedtest.net to get these statistics for you, if you don't know how.

 

This is not supported by linden labs, it is not right, and you are putting your self at risk, do not give out real life information and report the avatar for asking you to do that.

use the knowledge base, they need to start direting people to the right page, and not ask for real world information

besafe

enjoy SL

byee

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"This is not supported by linden labs, it is not right, and you are putting your self at risk, do not give out real life information and report the avatar for asking you to do that."

I wonder when the last time was you looked at the JIRA's and the information that Linden Lab (gasp) asks people to expose?

[Aethelwine]

Jeffrey, you are right to be angry about some of what goes off in world, but you are naive and a bad mixture of gullible and wrong headed to keep going on about hacking claims that are false. It makes everything else said to you that you are quoting hard to be sure is evidence of what you think it is and not people winding you up. Posting all this on the forum is only going to get you banned and the post deleted. All you can do is AR the conduct, raise it privately by email with the company, perhaps advise people to report it to the police. What you are doing here is helping no one... and underlining why you don't get considered credible. Give up on the crusade for your own good.